Wins and Losses
Week 37 provides an opportunity to discuss how I score wins and losses. You can score it however you like at home but this is how I look at it.
Scenario #1: Red is beating Yellow the whole way. If a player leaves Red before the end of the game, he still gets the W because the team was leading when he left and never lost the lead. If a player leaves Yellow to join Red (maybe Yellow had an extra guy), he doesn't get the W because Red was already winning but he doesn't get the L because he left the losing team before the game was over.
Scenario #2: Yellow is beating Red when a player leaves Yellow to go home. If Red ends up winning the game, the player doesn't get a W or L because the team was winning when he left and didn't lose until later.
Scenario #2a: In this case, Yellow was winning when the player left the game. Then Red takes the lead and Yellow comes back to win it, the player who left does not get the W because he wasn't on the team when it took the final lead.
Scenario #3: Red is beating Yellow and a player switches from Red to Yellow. Yellow then goes on to beat Red. The player who switched gets the W because he was on the team when it took the lead.
The same basic scenarios work for a player who shows up late. If the team he joins was already winning and never loses that lead, the new player doesn't get the W. If the team was losing when he shows up and never gained the lead once the late player joined the team, the player doesn't get the L. Any lead status change that occurs while a player is on a team is attached to that player.
The same concepts also work if the player leaves, joins, or changes while the game is tied. He is partially responsible for anything that happens through the rest of the time he's on the team and gets credit or blame for it.
Now some would say that if a player joins a team that was losing and the team wins but that player "didn't do shit" as evidenced by the stats, I'll have some interesting stats to share with you at the end of the year. Anyone who has played line knows that sometimes the guy who doesn't get the sacks is a huge part of the reason the sacks occur. Sometimes the cornerback who does nothing but cover a guy tight is the reason the sacks occur. So just because a player doesn't get a stat doesn't mean he wasn't a contributor.
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I think if a person changes teams then they should not get a win or loss no matter what happens. The reason why is because, depending on who leaves the game, a person may need to change teams, however the teams are no longer fair teams. I know this happened a few times where because of injuries or scheduling, a person was forced to leave their team, when the game was tied, however the team they went to no longer had a fair lineup.
If team Red has 8 players, and team Y has 7 players team red has a person sitting out. Lets say this person is a lineman. Team Y has a person get hurt or leave, lets say this person is a secondary. The person on the sidelines is then moved over to the other team. However the teams no longer match up. The game is then 7 on 7, however Y has no chance because they don't have enough real secondary players to match up. For the original players on team Y this sucks, but that is the way the game goes. The player on team R, who was unlucky enough to sit out at the time of injury, gets stuck althogh they have played most of the day on team R.
The other scenario is that if a player catches a touchdown pass on a team, then changes teams, they should not get a W or L. I know earlier in the season I spent the entire day on team R. Including 2 TD receptions. Late in the game, I had to go over to team Y due to people leaving. Team Y was losing at the time. Team Y came back to tie the game. The game went into overtime. Team R came back to win in OT. In this case would I get a W, a L, or Nothing?
There is something with a scenario where a person catches a pass on one team. Then gets "traded" and that persons TD is now working against them. If it wasn't for the fact in that game I had caught the TD passes for team R, the game would not have gone into overtime to then allow team R to win in OT?
Thoughts?
Excellent thoughts. That's part of why I wanted to have this discussion. Couple points though. For much of the early season, teams were often start unfair and nobody would switch sides. So you could discount those wins for the unfair side.
I think that in the game you mentioned, if at some point the game was tied again, why shouldn't all the players on the team get the final result - they each had an even chance to win. That was particularly true in the game where you actually helped your new team tie up the game so you were clearly part of their success at that point. Had your new team won after you joined them but you didn't get a sack or a pass or anything, would you want the loss that your other team ended up with?
My way is not perfect, particularly when the player who is traded for is not the equal to who left but that just means we need to do a better job keeping teams even.
I'm with Neubauer on this one for reasons he so eloquently stated
sometimes the teams are not fair, that happens. However, when a person is injured or has to leave mid game, often times these games get a little ridiculous. We always try to make the teams fair at the beginning, sometimes this works, sometimes not. However if a player is on one team for 9 series in a day, then changes teams for the last 2, it doesn't seem reasonable for the outcome to rest on their performance on their new team.
In this scenario, you literally have people playing against themselves where people are getting getting losses because they played too well, scored too many touchdowns, and had too many defensive plays early in the day, before they knew they would have to change teams.
I don't think players should not be penalized for playing well, no matter if it is at the beginning or end of the day.
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