So much for the hurricane and my handwringing. After Ike made a hard right after hitting the coast, we ended up with no rain and the wind was not even the worst we've played in. Certainly some balls sailed a bit but we've had games where you had to aim the ball 2-3 times the normal distance you'd lead a receiver because the cross wind would take it move it as far laterally as you threw it longitudinally.
We had another large game where we played 9 on 9 with substitutions - great turnout. Game started 7 on 7 for 1 series each because we only had 15 timely players and its only fair to play an even number of series at a given size game because 7 on 7 is very different than 9 on 9.
R - Adam, Casey, Chenault, Leo, Louis, Mark, Paul, Ray, Rick, & Street
Y - Barry, Cain, Canadian, Chris, Curtis, Day, Jesse, Josh, Mike, & Nick
Red Drive #1
1-12 from the 8: Pass by Street to Paul - incomplete. Ball low.
2-12 from the 8: Run by Mark for 1 yards - stopped by Josh.
3-11 from the 9: Pass by Street to Adam - 13 yard gain - stopped by going out of bounds.
1-18 from the 22: Street - sacked by Josh. Loss of 4 yards.
2-22 from the 18: Pass by Street to Paul - 9 yard gain - stopped by Barry.
3-13 from the 27: Pass by Street to Paul - 25 yard gain - stopped by Mike.
1-8 from the 28: Pass by Street to Mark - dropped.
2-8 from the 28: Run by Mark - stopped for loss by Curtis. Loss of 1 yards.
3-9 from the 29: Pass by Street to Mark - incomplete.
4-9 from the 29: Pass by Street to Adam - 8 yard gain - stopped by going out of bounds. Adam caught the out right at th 21 and couldn't stay in bounds to get the 1st.
Yellow Drive #1
1-19 from the 21: Pass by Cain to Curtis - incomplete.
2-19 from the 21: Pass by Cain to Canadian - incomplete. Ball high.
3-19 from the 21: Pass by Cain to Canadian - intercepted by Paul - stopped by Canadian.
Red Drive #2
1-3 from the 17: Pass by Street to Leo - incomplete. Ball wide.
2-3 from the 17: Pass by Street to Leo - intercepted by Canadian - stopped by Casey.
Yellow Drive #2
1-Goal from the 16: Nick - sacked by Adam. Loss of 3 yards.
2-Goal from the 19: Pass by Nick to Josh - 19 yard gain and the TD. 1 - 0, Yellow.
Red Drive #3
1-12 from the 8: Pass by Street to Casey - incomplete. QB pressure by Cain. Ball high.
2-12 from the 8: Pass by Street to Leo - defensed by Nick. QB pressure by Josh. QB pressure by Josh.
3-12 from the 8: Pass by Street to Leo - dropped.
4-12 from the 8: Punt by Rick for 30 yards.
Yellow Drive #3
1-18 from the 38: Pass by Nick to Cain - 9 yard gain - stopped by Rick.
2-9 from the 29: Pass by Nick to Barry - incomplete. Ball high.
3-9 from the 29: Nick - sacked by Chenault. Loss of 14 yards.
4-23 from the 37: Punt by Nick for 24 yards received by Paul.
Red Drive #4
1-1 from the 19: Pass by Street to Paul - incomplete. Red now has the wind and the 1st pass with it sails.
2-1 from the 19: Pass by Street to Mark - 14 yard gain - stopped by Nick.
1-7 from the 33: Pass by Street to Rick - 12 yard gain - stopped by Barry.
1-15 from the 35: Pass by Street to Mark - incomplete. Fly pattern and the wind takes the ball wide and long.
2-15 from the 35: Pass by Street to Mark - 12 yard gain - stopped by Canadian and Mike.
3-3 from the 23: Pass by Street to Mark - 15 yard gain - stopped by Barry.
1-Goal from the 8: Pass by Street to Rick - incomplete.
2-Goal from the 8: Pass by Street to Mark - 8 yard gain and the TD. 1 - 1, Tie.
Yellow Drive #4
1-12 from the 8: Pass by Nick to Jesse - incomplete. QB pressure by Leo.
2-12 from the 8: Pass by Nick to Day - intercepted by Ray - stopped by Josh.
Red Drive #5
1-Goal from the 8: Pass by Street to Ray - defensed by Canadian.
2-Goal from the 8: Pass by Street to Casey - incomplete. Ball wide.
3-Goal from the 8: Run by Leo for 3 yards - stopped by Jesse. End around. Chenault blocks Jesse into Leo.
4-Goal from the 5: Run by Street for 5 yards and the TD. Street had lots of time and finally decides to run it in. 2 - 1, Red.
Yellow Drive #5
1-12 from the 8: Run by Nick for 2 yards - stopped by Adam.
2-10 from the 10: Nick - sacked by Mark. Loss of 8 yards.
3-18 from the 2: Pass by Nick to Canadian - incomplete.
4-18 from the 2: Punt by Nick for 20 yards.
Red Drive #6
1-2 from the 22: Pass by Street to Rick - 9 yard gain - stopped by Nick. Beautiful one-handed grab by Rick.
1-Goal from the 13: Pass by Street to Louis - 13 yard gain and the TD. 3 - 1, Red.
Yellow Drive #6
1-12 from the 8: Nick throws the ball away. QB pressure by Casey.
2-12 from the 8: Pass by Nick to Chris - 7 yard gain - stopped by Paul.
3-5 from the 15: Pass by Nick to Cain - dropped.
4-5 from the 15: Pass by Nick to Josh - defensed by Street.
Red Drive #7
1-Goal from the 15: Run by Leo for 15 yards and the TD. Hand off to Chenault going right. Pitchback to Leo going left. Tons of blocking by the line and others. 4 - 1, Red.
Yellow Drive #7
1-12 from the 8: Pass by Nick to Curtis - 10 yard gain - stopped by Louis.
2-2 from the 18: Run by Nick for 15 yards - stopped by Adam.
1-7 from the 33: Run by Nick for 7 yards - stopped by Street.
1-20 from the 40: Run by Nick for -13 yards - stopped by Louis.
2-7 from the 27: Pass by Nick to Curtis - intercepted by Ray - stopped by Nick.
Red Drive #8
1-18 from the 38: Pass by Street to Ray - 29 yard gain - stopped by Canadian.
1-Goal from the 9: Pass by Street to Mark - 5 yard gain - stopped by Nick. Nick gets this flag reaching up from the ground.
2-Goal from the 4: Pass by Street to Rick - defensed by Jesse.
3-Goal from the 4: Pass by Street to Mark - incomplete. QB pressure by Mike.
4-Goal from the 4: Pass by Street to Ray - intercepted by Canadian - stopped by touchback.
Yellow Drive #8
1-12 from the 8: Pass by Nick to Cain - incomplete.
2-12 from the 8: Pass by Nick to Cain - defensed by Mark.
3-12 from the 8: Pass by Nick to Cain - incomplete.
4-12 from the 8: Punt by Nick for 39 yards received by Paul.
Red Drive #9
1-7 from the 33: Pass by Street to Chenault - 0 yard gain - stopped by Chris.
2-7 from the 33: Pass by Street to Chenault - 17 yard gain - stopped by Curtis. Ball was actually thrown to Casey but he tipped it up.
1-10 from the 30: Pass by Street to Adam - defensed by Barry.
2-10 from the 30: Street throws the ball away.
3-10 from the 30: Pass by Street to Adam - defensed by Barry.
4-10 from the 30: Pass by Street to Leo - defensed by Canadian.
Yellow Drive #9
1-10 from the 30: Run by Cain for 7 yards - stopped by Rick.
2-3 from the 37: Pass by Cain to Josh - dropped.
3-3 from the 37: Run by Cain for 4 yards - stopped by going out of bounds.
1-19 from the 39: Pass by Cain to Josh - 22 yard gain - stopped by Ray.
1-Goal from the 17: Pass by Cain to Josh - 2 yard gain - stopped by Leo.
2-Goal from the 15: Pass by Cain to Nick - incomplete. Ball low.
3-Goal from the 15: Cain - sacked by Adam. Loss of 8 yards.
4-Goal from the 23: Pass by Cain to Jesse - defensed by Leo.
Red Drive #10
1-17 from the 23: Pass by Street to Ray - -1 yard gain - stopped for loss by Day.
2-18 from the 22: Pass by Street to Paul - defensed by Jesse. Nearly Pick-Sixed.
3-18 from the 22: Pass by Street to Ray - 6 yard gain - stopped by Canadian.
4-12 from the 28: Punt by Mark for 47 yards.
Yellow Drive #10
1-15 from the 5: Pass by Nick to Curtis - incomplete. QB pressure by Adam.
2-15 from the 5: Pass by Nick to Day - 4 yard gain - stopped by Street.
3-11 from the 9: Pass by Nick to Chris - defensed by Louis.
4-11 from the 9: Pass by Nick to Canadian - 14 yard gain - stopped by Paul.
1-17 from the 23: Pass by Nick to Chris - 18 yard gain - stopped by Street.
1-19 from the 39: Nick throws the ball away. QB pressure by Adam.
2-19 from the 39: Run by Nick for 8 yards - stopped by Ray. Great pressure by the defensive line but 3 of them miss Nick's flag as he evades the rush and decides to pull it down and run.
3-11 from the 31: Pass by Nick to Curtis - 30 yard gain - stopped by going out of bounds.
1-Goal from the 1: Run by Nick for 0 yards - stopped by Mark.
2-Goal from the 1: Pass by Nick to Curtis - 1 yard gain and the TD. 4 - 2, Red.
Red Drive #11
1-12 from the 8: Pass by Street to Adam - defensed by Barry.
2-12 from the 8: Run by Street for 4 yards - stopped by Barry.
3-8 from the 12: Pass by Street to Adam - incomplete. QB pressure by Barry and Curtis. Ball high.
4-8 from the 12: Punt by Leo for 24 yards.
Yellow Drive #11
1-16 from the 36: Pass by Nick to Barry - incomplete.
2-16 from the 36: Nick throws the ball away. QB pressure by Casey and Chenault.
3-16 from the 36: Pass by Nick to Cain - incomplete. Ball high.
4-16 from the 36: Nick - sacked by Chenault. Loss of 12 yards. That's game. 4 - 2, Red.
Passing Stats:
| Players | Comp | Drops | Attempts | % | Yards | TDs | INTs | Sacked | Yds Lost | Rating |
| Street | 17 | 2 | 41 | 41.46% | 190 | 2 | 2 | 1 | -4 | 51.88 |
| Cain | 2 | 1 | 9 | 22.22% | 16 | 0 | 1 | 1 | -8 | 0.00 |
| Nick | 9 | 1 | 30 | 30.00% | 75 | 2 | 2 | 4 | -37 | 34.03 |
Street was the clear passing leader today leading in yards and completion percentage.
Receiving/Rushing Stats:
| Players | Recpts | Targets | Yards | Rec TDs | Rushes | Yards | Rush TDs | Combined | Blocks | 1st Downs |
| Adam | 2 | 6 | 21 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 21 | 0 | 1 |
| Casey | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Chenault | 2 | 2 | 17 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 17 | 0 | 1 |
| Leo | 0 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 18 | 1 | 18 | 0 | 0 |
| Louis | 1 | 1 | 13 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 13 | 0 | 0 |
| Mark | 5 | 9 | 54 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 54 | 0 | 2 |
| Paul | 2 | 5 | 34 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 34 | 0 | 1 |
| Ray | 3 | 5 | 34 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 34 | 0 | 1 |
| Rick | 2 | 4 | 21 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 21 | 0 | 2 |
| Street | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 9 | 1 | 9 | 0 | 0 |
| Barry | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Cain | 1 | 6 | 9 | 0 | 2 | 11 | 0 | 20 | 0 | 1 |
| Canadian | 1 | 4 | 14 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 14 | 0 | 1 |
| Chris | 2 | 3 | 25 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 25 | 0 | 1 |
| Curtis | 3 | 6 | 41 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 41 | 0 | 1 |
| Day | 1 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 0 |
| Jesse | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Josh | 3 | 5 | 43 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 43 | 0 | 1 |
| Mike | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Nick | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 45 | 0 | 45 | 0 | 2 |
Mark was the yardage leader with 54 (you can tell it was a big game with a lot of wind, huh?). Chenault had the sure-hands award with 2 grabs on 2 targets (well, really 1 target since he also caught a pass Casey popped up.
Defensive Stats:
| Players | Flags | Pass Def | INTs | Strips | Sacks/ Stops for Loss | Pressures | Safeties | Def TDs |
| Adam | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 |
| Casey | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.5 | 0 | 0 |
| Chenault | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0.5 | 0 | 0 |
| Leo | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| Louis | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Mark | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Paul | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Ray | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Rick | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Street | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Barry | 4 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | 0 | 0 |
| Cain | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| Canadian | 3.5 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Chris | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Curtis | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0.5 | 0 | 0 |
| Day | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Jesse | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Josh | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| Mike | 1.5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| Nick | 4 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Our defensive leaders were Canadian with 2 picks and 2 defensed passes, Ray with 2 picks, and Barry with 3 defensed passes. As a unit, however, Red's defensive front 4 were stellar scoring 5 sacks/stops for losses and 5 QB pressures. Couple that with 3 picks (Paul also had 1) and 4 defensed passes and you have a very strong performance. Yellow's defense also put up numbers with 3 sacks/stops for losses, 4 QB Pressures, 2 picks and 8 defensed passes.
Special Teams Stats:
| Players | Punts | Punt Yards | Punts Fielded |
| Leo | 1 | 24 | 0 |
| Mark | 1 | 47 | 0 |
| Paul | 0 | 0 | 2 |
| Rick | 1 | 30 | 0 |
| Nick | 3 | 83 | 0 |
Punting is becoming a more interesting part of the game. We had 6 in this game (3 by each team) for a total of 184 yards (averaging just under 31 yards per punt).
MVP: This is ultra hard this week. Big games usually are harder because there are more players per square yard of field which typically leads to fewer opportunities for a player to stand out - particularly when a QB can run and there are 4 receivers and 4 lineman. I often struggle to select the award winner but much more in these large games. Ultimately, I may have to start doing offensive and defensive players of the game and then an MVP. For MVP, I typically try to pick a player who had a big impact on both offense and defense. Sometimes, I give it to a player with an unballanced performance if it is dominating and a difference-maker in the game. I'm going to hold off on the award this week in order to seek comments in the Blog about the process and see if they will help me this week.
Here is one of the problems I have that I'd like feedback on - how to weigh offensive/defensive coordinator contributions fairly. I have no doubt that Chenaut's play calling has made a difference in week 1 and week 2. Indeed, I try to play on his team because he makes me a better player (anyone remember me rushing the QB before late last spring?). At the same time, I only know about his contributions because I was on his team and see them first hand. How do I credit that kind of valuable input on the other team when I can't see it?
The other player I'm considering for the award this week, is Mark who had a nice game on both offense and defense. However, I hesitate a bit here. Mark had one monster drive where he got almost every ball and made great plays. However, I know the impact he has on defense because, I personally often benefit from hit. He's a much more feared rusher than I am for good reason (fast and much stronger) and so people have to dedicate more resources to him. Having said that, it's hard for me to observe his impact sometimes if I'm not rushing with him. How often am I missing a similar impact by another player on the other team?
I take this seriously and would appreciate your comments and help.
8 comments:
Reasons why play calling should NOT impact MVP selection.
1. MVP standa for Most Valuable Player, not most valuable play caller. In the NFL or College has a coach/offensive coordinator/defensive coordinator ever received that award?
2. While Adam may see who is calling plays in his hudle, he has no idea who is calling plays in the other hudle so whoever calls plays on his team gets credit for something that the other team has no way to get credit for.
3. Time - if you start giving out credit for play calling, on every play every person is gong to try to call the play. This is going to get old quickly, and play calling is going to turn into a yelling match in the hudle. Thus, we would then need to make sure everybody gets an opportunity to call a play, then note who called the play, and how successful it was. While our stats are great, I think that is rather ridiculous.
4. Broken plays, in last week's game, on my TD reception, I walked into the hudle calling out the route I was running, I had no idea what anybody else was running. If our coordinator called everybody else's route, however I called my route, who gets credit. Myself for calling the route that got the ball, or the coordinator for calling the other routes that may have moved the defense out of position to leave me open. Also, on the play that Tom ran in for a TD. That was a designed pass play in which everybody was covered. In that scenario Tom scrambled for a while then decided to run himself. While successful, that was never called. In that scenario, who would or should receive credit.
I think play calling takes the stats into an area of grey that is really kind of foolish. You can look through the blogs all last year and see that statistically, the MVP usually has either dominant stats, or good enough that in your explanation it makes sense.
Coordinator should definitely NOT count.
I'd like to see offensive and defensive players of the week in addition to the MVP.
Impact doesn't always mean stats. If someone is eating up blockers - causing opportunities for others - then that should count for something.
Mark didn't have a dominant performance or anything this week but who else could you chose??
on any given play, there are any number of people who made good contributions to making that play happen. The correct play had to be called, the line had to block appropriatly, the receiver ran the route correctly, the qb has to make the correct read and deliver a good pass, a receiver has to make a catch, then go for YAC. While everybody should get some sort of recognition, it simply isn't possible to note every possible positive thing that is done on a play.
Defensivly there are certainly times where one player occupies 2 or more blockers that open up a lane for a different person to make a tackle. While the person who took multiple blockers probably had more impact than the person who made the tackle, without video and instant replay there is no way to adequatly measure how much contribution is being made on any given play.
There are receivers who run deep to stretch the defense so that a short pass can be caught and run for extra yards, or just for a frist down to extend the drive. While these people are certainly contributiong, there is no way to statistically say what they are doing. This being the case, why even try. We all like getting stats, however sometimes you simply have to have the satisfaction of knowing that you contributed in a way that impacted the game, but didn't get statistics.
Punting - here are my thoughts on punting. I like it because I think it adds a new elemnt to our game.
ESPN stats showed the average NFL punt last year was 41.7 yards. Our current average punt is 31 yards. Admitted there have been at least 2 shanked punts.
The easy solution to this is that punters can make contact with the ball up to the line of scrimage. Currently they are making contact 7 yards back. That alone would change the average from 31 to 38. However, we play on a field 80 yards long, nfl plays on a field 100 yards long. Statistically if we want to stay proportioned, the average punt in our league should be about 34 yards.
Moving the punting up to the line of scrimage immedatley would put us close to the 40 yard average again
I don't currently see any reason to modify punts. I think that after a few more weeks, punts will improve and shanks will be more rare. That's particularly true if people show up a bit early to practice booting the ball.
Let's see where it goes before making changes.
I am a bit amazed, not only does Mark have a picture of me with other men for his avatar, he is also very animated/involved in this blog. Perhaps if he spent more time, using the internet, learning how to catch a ball or how to split a double team (As he is ALWAYS blocked by more than one offensive lineman), he would be a better flag football player. A few hints Mark, watch the ball, use both hands and worry more about catching the ball before thinking about what guy you are going to punch in the throat after you, "Get" the ball. Also, in order to split those numerous double teams, drop one shoulder and then rip up, this usually will allow you to get by. You could also try using a move called, "Being a man", by this I mean, use your legs and back, hold your ground and contain the QB. Although this will not get you the stats you are looking for, it will help contribute to the team effort/cause. I truly hope you win the MVP, you clearly deserve it.
coordinating is part of the game however drawing it up and physically making the play are two different things.Playmakers should get the awards.
Incrediably Chenault gives me receiveing advice, when I had over twice as many receptions last Saturday than he has this season.
Again, he also shows his lack of knowledge on pass rushing because a rip move should be done by pass rushers who are shorter than the offensive line (I know Chenault deals with this a lot). However, those of us in the 6' and over category use bull rushes and swim moves to get by. Also, it is not my fault that your throat is at my shoulder level.
I am not always blocked by 2 offensive linemen. I am only blocked by 2 linemen when you line up next to me, because clearly the Chenault "rip" move is not putting fear into any offesive linemen.
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